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		<title>A famous preacher</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/09/a-famous-preacher/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buried amid all the stewardship material in 2 Corinthians 8-9 is this little tidbit in verse 18: With Titus we are also sending one of the Lord&#8217;s followers who is well known in every church for spreading the good news. &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/09/a-famous-preacher/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buried amid all the stewardship material in 2 Corinthians 8-9 is this little tidbit in <a href="http://bit.ly/dpHuE0">verse 18</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>With Titus we are also sending one of the Lord&#8217;s followers who is well known in every church for spreading the good news. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_English_Version">CEV</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Some thoughts that passed through my mind reading this:</p>
<p>Who is this preacher? Apollos? Apollos was apparently an excellent preacher, but the Corinthians knew him by name. Timothy? Luke? Someone else?</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t he named? Fame is fleeting: this preacher was famous in his time &#8212; remember, this is <em>Paul</em> describing him this way. But today we don&#8217;t know who he was. Which is fine, because the only fame that really matters is that God approved of his preaching.</p>
<p>We still need preaching. We could have become a Christian 30 or 50 or 75 years ago and still need to hear the gospel preached. Not because we haven&#8217;t heard it, but because we need to hear it again. C.S. Lewis says, &#8220;We need to be reminded more than instructed.&#8221; Paul (<em>Paul!!</em>) had nurtured this congregation for 18 months, and was still corresponding with them to help them grapple with tough doctrinal matters. There aren&#8217;t many churches that have heard the gospel as well as this one. But they still needed to hear the gospel, so Paul sent them a famous preacher.</p>
<p>We can hear preaching just as excellent. I&#8217;m assuming it was excellent preaching, because Paul endorses it, so it was done in the power of the Holy Spirit. Who is still at work today.</p>
<p>If, like most people, you attend a church that doesn&#8217;t have a famous preacher, don&#8217;t worry about it. Fame isn&#8217;t important. Instead, ask yourself if the Holy Spirit is speaking through them.</p>
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		<title>Vacation Winding Down</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, our vacation starts to wind down. We&#8217;re going to hike around Tuolumne Meadows in Yosemite. We&#8217;ve had a great time at the beach, Disneyland, San Francisco, and the Marin Headlands. I&#8217;m looking forward to being back at church on &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/09/vacation-winding-down/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, our vacation starts to wind down. We&#8217;re going to hike around Tuolumne Meadows in Yosemite. We&#8217;ve had a great time at the beach, Disneyland, San Francisco, and the Marin Headlands. I&#8217;m looking forward to being back at church on Sunday, but it&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t want the vacation to end yet.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;A little help!&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/08/a-little-help/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NRSV has a strangely bland translation of Romans 15:24: when I go to Spain. For I do hope to see you on my journey and to be sent on by you, once I have enjoyed your company for a &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/08/a-little-help/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ncccusa.org/newbtu/aboutnrs.html">NRSV</a> has a strangely bland translation of <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147954815">Romans 15:24</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>when I go to Spain. For I do hope to see you on my journey and to be sent on by you, once I have enjoyed your company for a little while.</p></blockquote>
<p>The bland part is where it says &#8220;to be sent on.&#8221; That&#8217;s a unfairly wooden translation of the Greek word <em>propempto</em>. Literally, the word means just that: <em>pempto</em> (&#8220;I send&#8221;) plus <em>pro-</em> (&#8220;forth&#8221;). But what it really means is to <em>help</em> someone go forth.</p>
<p>To send someone that way sometimes means to accompany them. That&#8217;s what it means in <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147954815">Acts 21:5</a>, where Luke writes that &#8220;all of them, with wives and children, escorted us outside the city,&#8221; and <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147954815">Acts 20:38</a>, when the Ephesian elders brought Paul to the ship.</p>
<p>But more typically, especially in the Epistles, to send someone forth means to provide them with material support for their journey. This is particularly clear in <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147954815">Titus 3:13</a>, which tells the recipients to send on Zenas the Lawyer and Apollos, &#8220;and see that they lack nothing.&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauer_lexicon">BDAG</a> offers this definition: &#8220;to assist someone in making a journey, send on one&#8217;s way with food, money, by arranging for companions, means of travel, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=romans+15:24&#038;src=esv.org">ESV</a> is better, if still a little awkward:</p>
<blockquote><p>I hope to see you in passing as I go to Spain, and to be helped on my journey there by you, once I have enjoyed your company for a while.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.biblica.com/bible/verse/index.php?q=romans15:24&#038;niv=yes">NIV</a> is better still:</p>
<blockquote><p>I plan to do so when I go to Spain. I hope to visit you while passing through and to have you assist me on my journey there, after I have enjoyed your company for a while.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem with the NRSV&#8217;s bland translation is it disguises what Paul is doing: asking for money. In <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147954815">Romans 15:24</a>, Paul is saying he wants the Roman church to help him get to Spain. In <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147954815">1&nbsp;Corinthians 16:6</a>, he says he doesn&#8217;t even know yet where he&#8217;ll be going.</p>
<p>By disguising what Paul is saying, this failure-to-translate hides the implicit teaching, that this is what churches do: provide support to people who are doing ministry beyond their immediate neighborhood. And worse, it fails to teach people (e.g., pastors and elders) to <em>ask</em> for such support, the way Paul used to.</p>
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		<title>What Do You Want From Life?</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/what-do-you-want-from-life/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;What do you want from life?&#8221; Everyone answers that question differently. What I mean is this. Everyone wants to be happy. There are things we want to accomplish. We want financial security. We want to be in relationships with other &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/what-do-you-want-from-life/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do you want from life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Everyone answers that question differently. What I mean is this. Everyone wants to be happy. There are things we want to accomplish. We want financial security. We want to be in relationships with other people.  But we&#8217;re all unique, so we all want these different things in different proportions.</p>
<p><a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147332478">Proverbs 14:4</a> goes like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If there are no oxen the crib is clean, /<br />
But a rich harvest comes through the strength of the ox.&#8221;
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<p>We Americans have to pause a moment to decode it, because so few of us are involved in farming. The point, however, is clear: the things we want most generally can&#8217;t be had by themselves. They come when we do other things that move us toward our real goals.</p>
<p><span id="more-280"></span>A farmer wants a rich harvest. He couldn&#8217;t care less about oxen. But a rich harvest isn&#8217;t something you can just have. It takes a lot of plowing, and for that you need an ox.  And oxen need to be fed. If you don&#8217;t have an ox, you won&#8217;t need to feed it or clean out its stable, but you can forget about having a rich harvest.</p>
<p>The best things in life often require us to work on other things we might not care as much about.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t go into a store and pick up a box of relationships. Relationships are things you build. Like a farmer cleaning his ox&#8217;s crib, you have to do things that aren&#8217;t really goals in themselves. I&#8217;ve never known a man who bought his wife roses on Valentine&#8217;s Day because he was looking forward to enjoying their pretty scent. We don&#8217;t go to our kids&#8217; soccer games because we&#8217;re looking forward to World Cup-level play. We pursue those things in order to have better relationships, which is what we really want.</p>
<p>Even God does this. The Bible says God wants to be in a relationship with us. But God couldn&#8217;t have that, because we&#8217;d been separated from God by sin. So God sent Jesus to break down that barrier. God did what it took to get what he wanted.</p>
<p>What do you want? Are they things you can you get by themselves?  Or do you need to do other things first? And are you willing to take those steps to get them? &#8220;A rich harvest takes the strength of an ox.&#8221;</p>
<p>(This article is trivially adapted from the article that appeared July 28, 2010 in the <cite><a href="http://www.hidesertstar.com/">Hi-Desert Star</a></cite>.)</p>
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		<title>Pastoral Tensions</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My reading plan brought me two verses this morning that highlight a tension pastors must maintain. The first is Paul&#8217;s well-known call to proclaim the Lord Jesus Christ: But how are they to call on one in whom they have &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/pastoral-tensions/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reading plan brought me two verses this morning that highlight a tension pastors must maintain. The first is Paul&#8217;s well-known call to proclaim the Lord Jesus Christ:</p>
<blockquote><p>But how are they to call on one in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in one of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone to proclaim him? And how are they to proclaim him unless they are sent? As it is written, &#8220;How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!&#8221; &mdash;<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147242257">Romans 10:14-15</a></p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the pastor&#8217;s job. It&#8217;s what people come for on Sunday. It&#8217;s in our job-title: Minister of Word and Sacrament. That&#8217;s what I need to focus on.</p>
<p>Except&#8230;. Every day I also read a chapter of Proverbs, and today this jumped out at me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Know well the condition of your flocks,<br/>and give attention to your herds<br/>&mdash;<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=147242292">Proverbs 27:23</a></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not enough for a pastor simply to proclaim Jesus. You have to proclaim him in a way that people can experience as Good News. And to do that, you have to know the condition of your flocks.</p>
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		<title>Home From My Retreat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you call it when you come back from a retreat? &#8212; an attack? Well, technically, I wasn&#8217;t on a retreat. I was at the 2010 Academy of Missional Preaching (Southwest). But it was held at the Serra Retreat &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/home-from-my-retreat/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you call it when you come back from a retreat? &#8212; an attack?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/befuddledsenses/4824570826/" title="Serra Retreat Center by Mess of Pottage, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4824570826_ab27ce08af.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Serra Retreat Center" /></a></p>
<p>Well, technically, I wasn&#8217;t on a retreat. I was at the 2010 Academy of Missional Preaching (Southwest). But it was held at the <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/place?um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;q=serra+retreat+center&#038;fb=1&#038;gl=us&#038;hq=serra+retreat+center&#038;cid=1571843661977299223">Serra Retreat Center</a> in Malibu, and there were retreat-ish aspects to it. If you needed to work on a sermon, you could go sit in a garden like the one above and think about what you were trying to say. It was a pretty harsh existence, but we must all be prepared to sacrifice for the Kingdom. <img src='http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of course, it was not only about preaching, it was about <em>missional</em> preaching. (Missional is the idea that the church exists as an instrument used in God&#8217;s mission to the world. See <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=146999864">John 20:21</a>, <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=146999864">Acts 1:8</a>, etc.) In addition to preaching, we also got to hear various speakers including John Dally (<cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Choosing-Kingdom-Missional-Preaching-Household/dp/1566993598">Choosing the Kingdom</a></cite>) and Darrell Guder (<cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Missional-Church-Sending-America-Culture/dp/0802843506">Missional Church</a></cite>).</p>
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		<title>Jim Collins on Excellence in Church Employees</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I happened on an excellent session from Catalyst 2008 with Andy Stanley interviewing Jim Collins about keeping employees who are a poor fit in a position. Andy says that churches are all about mercy &#8212; so sometimes, out of compassion &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/jim-collins-on-excellence-in-church-employees/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened on an excellent <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZybQo7daV0">session</a> from Catalyst 2008 with Andy Stanley interviewing <a href="http://www.jimcollins.com/">Jim Collins</a> about keeping employees who are a poor fit in a position. Andy says that churches are all about mercy &#8212; so sometimes, out of compassion for the employee, we keep people in positions for which they aren&#8217;t a good match. Watch Collins&#8217; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZybQo7daV0">reply here</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great point in there, too: &#8220;The moment you feel the need to tightly manage someone, you&#8217;ve probably made a hiring mistake.&#8221; (Watch Stanley&#8217;s face when Collins says that.) That&#8217;s an excellent clue and we ignore it at peril to our mission.</p>
<p>Another excellent point: instead of giving people titles and rules, give them responsibilities. People should be able to say, &#8220;I am the one person in this organization who is ultimately responsible for [<cite>whatever it is</cite>].&#8221;</p>
<p>(I found this video on Catalyst&#8217;s Youtube channel which has a ton of other content that ranges from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwXFP1U7f5U">Dallas Willard and John Ortberg</a> all the way to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/catalystconference#p/a/f/0/hGcPSIuXZ30">Trip and Tyler</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Desert Hills&#8217; Centegenarian</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/desert-hills-centegenarian/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today is the first day of our eldest member&#8217;s second 100 years: Jack turned 100 yesterday. (See the article at the Hi-Desert Star.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is the first day of our eldest member&#8217;s second 100 years: Jack turned 100 yesterday. (See the article at the <a href="http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2010/07/14/news/doc4c3d68be19b1b717882961.txt">Hi-Desert Star</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Apparently We Don&#8217;t Believe Anything</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another problem with the new PC(USA) web site: apparently we don&#8217;t believe anything anymore. Or, if we do, those beliefs are carefully hidden. Now, I&#8217;m on record as liking the new look of our denomination&#8217;s website. And I&#8217;ve already commented, &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/apparently-we-dont-believe-anything/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Another</em> problem with the new PC(USA) web site: apparently <a href="http://www.pcusa.org/today/believe/believe.htm">we don&#8217;t believe anything anymore</a>. Or, if we do, those beliefs are carefully hidden.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m on record as <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/new-pcusa-site/">liking</a> the new <em>look</em> of our denomination&#8217;s website. And I&#8217;ve already <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/checking-our-heads/">commented</a>, negatively, about a particularly smarmy &#8220;reasons I&#8217;m a Presbyterian&#8221; badge posted there.</p>
<p>But I was hoping the PC(USA) web site would at least be better organized. I entertained the hope that it would be easier to find things there now, and it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p><span id="more-275"></span>It&#8217;s always been difficult to find anything. The organization is&#8230;<em>um</em>&#8230;let&#8217;s say, &#8220;obscure.&#8221; I got in the habit, whenever I needed to find something there, of using a Google search with <cite><code>inurl:pcusa.org</code></cite> appended. That&#8217;s how I found what we believe.</p>
<p>But if you follow that link today, it doesn&#8217;t go to a web page about what Presbyterians believe. It goes to an <a href="http://gamc.pcusa.org/ministries/today/">advertisement</a> for people to buy the dead-trees <cite>Presbyterians Today</cite> magazine! Apparently there&#8217;s a plan to <a href="http://gamc.pcusa.org/ministries/today/what-presbyterians-believe/">add selected content there</a> over time, like this helpful piece about &#8220;<a href="http://gamc.pcusa.org/ministries/today/how-speak-presbyterian/">how to speak Presbyterian</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dead trees&#8211;I kid you not! In 2010! GAMC <strong>FAIL.</strong> Sigh.</p>
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		<title>Do the Dead Grieve?</title>
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		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading C. S. Lewis, I was struck by this thought: If, as I can&#8217;t help suspecting, the dead also feel the pains of separation (and this may be one of their purgatorial sufferings), then for both lovers, and for all &#8230; <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/do-the-dead-grieve/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading C. S. Lewis, I was struck by this thought:</p>
<blockquote><p>If, as I can&#8217;t help suspecting, <em>the dead also feel the pains of separation</em> (and this may be one of their purgatorial sufferings), then for both lovers, and for all pairs of lovers without exception, bereavement is a universal and integral part of our experience of love.
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<p>(From <cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060652381?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=accretiondisc-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0060652381">A Grief Observed</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=accretiondisc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0060652381" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></cite>, pp. 49-50. Emphasis added.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d known that Lewis was comfortable with the whole idea of purgatory, but I was fascinated by his idea that purgatory might entail grief. On the one hand, we want our loved ones to be happy &#8212; to be, as we say at such times, &#8220;in a better place.&#8221; But there is a slight, selfish appeal to the idea that they grieve for us, just as we grieve for them. How much sharper it would make our grief if we thought our loved one had simply shrugged us off.</p>
<p>We Presbyterians, however, aren&#8217;t keen on the concept of purgatory. Our Presbyterian <cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0664220339?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=accretiondisc-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0664220339">Book of Common Worship</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=accretiondisc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0664220339" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></cite>, in the Service of Witness to the Resurrection we have at funerals, says, by contrast:</p>
<blockquote><p>We thank you [God],<br />
that for <em>him/her</em> death is past<br />
and pain is ended,<br />
and that <em>he/she</em> has now entered<br />
the joy that you have prepared.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s an intriguing notion, nevertheless. I don&#8217;t have time right now to do a serious study, but I&#8217;ll have to keep this in the back of my mind, in case I run across Scriptural arguments for or against the idea.</p>
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