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		<title>Calvin on Tradition</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Preparing for my last sermon, I found some choice quotes from Calvin on submitting to traditions. (These are from the Institutes 3.19.7-11, with tiny modifications for readability). We are not bound before God to any observance of external things which are in themselves indifferent (“adiafora”), but that we are now at full liberty either to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preparing for my last sermon, I found some choice quotes from Calvin on submitting to traditions. (These are from the <em>Institutes</em> 3.19.7-11, with tiny modifications for readability).</p>
<blockquote><p>We are not bound before God to any observance of external things which are in themselves indifferent (“adiafora”), but that we are now at full liberty either to use or omit them. &#8230; Once the conscience is entangled in the net, it enters a long and inextricable labyrinth, from which it is afterwards most difficult to escape.</p>
<p>In one word, we see whither this liberty tends <em>viz.</em>, that we are to use the gifts of God without any scruple of conscience, without any perturbation of mind, for the purpose for which he gave them: in this way our souls may both have peace with him, and recognize his liberality towards us.</p>
<p>&#8220;A haughty mind often dwells in a coarse and homely garb, while true humility lurks under fine linen and purple.&#8221; Let every one then live in his own station, poorly or moderately, or in splendor; but let all remember that the nourishment which God gives is for life, not luxury&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230; We should assert our liberty before men. This I admit: yet must we use great caution in the mode, lest we should cast off the care of the weak whom God has specially committed to us.</p>
<p>&#8230; Our liberty was not given us against our weak neighbors, whom charity enjoins us to serve in all things, but rather that, having peace with God in our minds, we should live peaceably among men. What value is to be set upon the offense of the Pharisees we learn from the words of our Lord, in which he says, “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind,” (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mt%2015.14&#038;version=CEB">Matt. 15:14</a>).</p></blockquote>
<p>Bend over backwards to accomodate the weak, and ignore the Pharisees. How easy it is for me to do just the opposite!</p>
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		<title>Apparently We Don&#8217;t Believe Anything</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/15/apparently-we-dont-believe-anything/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another problem with the new PC(USA) web site: apparently we don&#8217;t believe anything anymore. Or, if we do, those beliefs are carefully hidden. Now, I&#8217;m on record as liking the new look of our denomination&#8217;s website. And I&#8217;ve already commented, negatively, about a particularly smarmy &#8220;reasons I&#8217;m a Presbyterian&#8221; badge posted there. But I was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Another</em> problem with the new PC(USA) web site: apparently <a href="http://www.pcusa.org/today/believe/believe.htm">we don&#8217;t believe anything anymore</a>. Or, if we do, those beliefs are carefully hidden.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m on record as <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/new-pcusa-site/">liking</a> the new <em>look</em> of our denomination&#8217;s website. And I&#8217;ve already <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/checking-our-heads/">commented</a>, negatively, about a particularly smarmy &#8220;reasons I&#8217;m a Presbyterian&#8221; badge posted there.</p>
<p>But I was hoping the PC(USA) web site would at least be better organized. I entertained the hope that it would be easier to find things there now, and it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p><span id="more-275"></span>It&#8217;s always been difficult to find anything. The organization is&#8230;<em>um</em>&#8230;let&#8217;s say, &#8220;obscure.&#8221; I got in the habit, whenever I needed to find something there, of using a Google search with <cite><code>inurl:pcusa.org</code></cite> appended. That&#8217;s how I found what we believe.</p>
<p>But if you follow that link today, it doesn&#8217;t go to a web page about what Presbyterians believe. It goes to an <a href="http://gamc.pcusa.org/ministries/today/">advertisement</a> for people to buy the dead-trees <cite>Presbyterians Today</cite> magazine! Apparently there&#8217;s a plan to <a href="http://gamc.pcusa.org/ministries/today/what-presbyterians-believe/">add selected content there</a> over time, like this helpful piece about &#8220;<a href="http://gamc.pcusa.org/ministries/today/how-speak-presbyterian/">how to speak Presbyterian</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dead trees&#8211;I kid you not! In 2010! GAMC <strong>FAIL.</strong> Sigh.</p>
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		<title>Checking Our Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/02/checking-our-heads/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I enthused about the PC(USA) website&#8217;s makeover, and one of my Facebook friends went to see it. He&#8217;s a Southern Baptist, and he wasn&#8217;t impressed with this quote on the home page: The pull quote you see here isn&#8217;t quite a quote; if you watch the video you&#8217;ll see they &#8220;punched it up&#8221; a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I <a href="http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/07/new-pcusa-site/">enthused</a> about the PC(USA) website&#8217;s makeover, and one of my Facebook friends went to see it. He&#8217;s a Southern Baptist, and he wasn&#8217;t impressed with this quote on <a href="http://www.pcusa.org/">the home page</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/befuddledsenses/4754779739/" title="Check Our Heads! by Mess of Pottage, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4754779739_690710736b.jpg" width="500" height="311" alt="Check Our Heads!"></a></p>
<p>The pull quote you see here isn&#8217;t <em>quite</em> a quote; if you watch the video you&#8217;ll see they &#8220;punched it up&#8221; a bit. What he actually said was,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a reasoned faith. I don&#8217;t believe we should check our heads at the door when we go to church. That&#8217;s one of the reasons I&#8217;m a Presbyterian, I guess.&#8221;
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<p>I sighed when I read that, but the way the page looks, you can hope it&#8217;s dynamic content and different visitors will see different quotes. But so far, it appears to be stuck on this one. That&#8217;s regrettable.</p>
<p><span id="more-272"></span><br />
Back when I was in college, I used to hang out with the chess club. I never was any good at chess, but some of my friends were. One day, as I was watching some people play, M.S. suddenly stood up and shouted, &#8220;Why must I lose to this <em>idiot</em>!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, M.S. is one of the most brilliant people I&#8217;ve met. He went on to do postgraduate work at M.I.T. He certainly didn&#8217;t check <em>his</em> head at the door. But that day, he was losing at chess, and handling it badly.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this quote on the PC(USA) web page reminds me of.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with a reasoned faith, and I hope people don&#8217;t check their heads at our church door.</p>
<p>After all, Jesus added &#8220;minds&#8221; to his restatement of the great commandment to love God and neighbor. (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093610">Compare</a> Mark 12:30 with Deuteronomy 6:4.) In the Sermon on the Mount he radicalizes the Law to teach us that it applies to our psyches as well as our actions. &#8220;You have heard it said&#8230; &#8216;You shall not murder,&#8217; but I say to you that if you are angry&#8230;.&#8221; <em>etc.</em> (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093652">Matthew 5:21-22</a> and what follows.) I don&#8217;t believe Jesus wants <em>anybody</em> checking their heads at the door. &#8220;Wisdom cries out in the street,&#8221; <em>etc.</em> (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093700">Proverbs 1:20</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>For when one says, &#8220;I belong to Paul,&#8221; and another, &#8220;I belong to Apollos,&#8221; are you not merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you came to believe, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093752">1 Corinthians 3:4-6</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>One problem with the quote on the PC(USA) website is that it&#8217;s divisive. But it doesn&#8217;t have the nerve to say who those less-intellectual Christians might be.  (My guess? The big church across town that all your members left to join.) </p>
<p>If our website had the nerve to name names, people could respond and make their case. They could argue in favor of an anti-intellectual position. Or they could argue that they are just as intellectual as Presbyterians. Instead, we just tar everyone who&#8217;s not a Presbyterian as a know-nothing, while maintaining plausible deniability should someone (very reasonably) take offense. &#8220;Oh, we didn&#8217;t mean <em>you</em>.&#8221; Faugh!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a strawman. I don&#8217;t know of any church that makes a point of their anti-intellectualism. (Although no less an intellectual than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian">Tertullian</a> asked what Athens had to do with Jerusalem.)</p>
<p>After 2000 years of division, you would hope that the church has gotten to the point where we don&#8217;t mischaracterize each other&#8217;s theology. You would hope that, even where we disagree, we don&#8217;t bear false witness against each other. (For one thing, it&#8217;s simply <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/07/googling-for-truth-the-importance-of-irenic-theology-in-our-postmodern-world-2/">too easy these days for people to refute you</a>, as C. Michael Patton argues over at <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog">Parchment and Pen</a>.)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.&#8221; (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093787">Matthew 7:1</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>But this is the <em>real</em> problem with what our website says. It&#8217;s judgmental. First, it suggests (although it doesn&#8217;t quite say) that God loves us best because we&#8217;re so smart. Even if that <em>were</em> true, &#8220;all who exalt themselves will be humbled.&#8221; (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145096973">Luke 18:9-14</a>)</p>
<p>But Jesus made it pretty clear that brains alone aren&#8217;t what he&#8217;s looking for. He concludes the Sermon on the Mount saying, &#8220;Not everyone who says to me, &#8216;Lord, Lord,&#8217; will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.&#8221; (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093830">Matthew 7:21</a>) What&#8217;s in your head isn&#8217;t enough. His brother James points out the folly of a theology that is correct but doesn&#8217;t lead to discipleship. &#8220;You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe&#8211;and shudder.&#8221; (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093752">James 2:19</a>) </p>
<p>The other way it&#8217;s judgmental is that it looks down on people who <em>do</em> check their heads at the door. This reminds me of C.S. Lewis&#8217; <em>Screwtape Letters</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>When [the Christian] gets to his pew and looks round him he sees just that selection of his neighbours whom he has hitherto avoided. You want to lean pretty heavily on those neighbours. Make his mind flit to and fro between an expression like &#8216;the body of Christ&#8217; and the actual faces in the next pew. It matters very little, of course, what kind of people that next pew really contains. You may know one of them to be a great warrior on the Enemy&#8217;s side. No matter. Your patient, thanks to Our Father Below, is a fool.
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<p>(This from chapter 2.) Or consider the discussion of different gifts in <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=145093949">1 Corinthians 12</a>. (Or the whole letter, not neglecting chapter 13.)</p>
<p>In short, this is an appalling thing to put on your denomination&#8217;s website. It&#8217;s the sort of thing you do when you&#8217;re losing a game of chess to someone you think is an idiot.</p>
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		<title>PC(USA) ordains 1st Iranian Pastor</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/06/17/pcusa-ordains-1st-iranian-pastor/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, this is a small world. Mansour Khajehpour was just ordained by Seattle Presbytery as the first Iranian to become a PC(USA) minister of Word and sacrament. I knew Mansour (a little) in seminary. He was in the class two years after mine, so we didn&#8217;t have any classes together. One of my kids was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this is a small world. Mansour Khajehpour was just ordained by Seattle Presbytery <a href="http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2010/10498.htm">as the first Iranian</a> to become a PC(USA) minister of Word and sacrament.</p>
<p>I knew Mansour (a little) in <a href="http://www.ptsem.edu/">seminary</a>. He was in the class two years after mine, so we didn&#8217;t have any classes together. One of my kids was friends with one of his kid&#8217;s friends, though. They were in the building on the opposite side of Emmons Drive, <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&#038;source=s_q&#038;hl=en&#038;geocode=&#038;q=310+Emmons+Drive,+Princeton,+NJ&#038;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&#038;sspn=53.035373,71.806641&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;hq=&#038;hnear=310+Emmons+Dr,+Princeton,+Mercer,+New+Jersey+08540&#038;ll=40.31288,-74.667951&#038;spn=0.00315,0.004383&#038;t=h&#038;z=18">facing Loetscher Place</a>. Small world!</p>
<p>Congratulations to the <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/place?um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;q=first+presbyterian+church+fort+scott+ks&#038;fb=1&#038;gl=us&#038;hq=first+presbyterian+church&#038;hnear=Fort+Scott,+KS&#038;cid=11513614160774122547">First Presbyterian Church</a> of Fort Scott, Kansas, where Mansour will serve.</p>
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		<title>Public: Gay Relations &#8220;Morally Acceptable&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2010/05/26/public-gay-relations-morally-acceptable/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s a lot to think about in a new Gallup survey about gay relations: Americans&#8217; support for the moral acceptability of gay and lesbian relations crossed the symbolic 50% threshold in 2010. At the same time, the percentage calling these relations &#8220;morally wrong&#8221; dropped to 43%, the lowest in Gallup&#8217;s decade-long trend. Notice this is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot to think about in a new Gallup <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/135764/Americans-Acceptance-Gay-Relations-Crosses-Threshold.aspx">survey</a> about gay relations:</p>
<blockquote><p>Americans&#8217; support for the moral acceptability of gay and lesbian relations crossed the symbolic 50% threshold in 2010. At the same time, the percentage calling these relations &#8220;morally wrong&#8221; dropped to 43%, the lowest in Gallup&#8217;s decade-long trend.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice this is for &#8220;moral acceptability.&#8221; <em>Legality</em> is a separate question, and polls several points higher. Also interesting is that <em>gay marriage</em> is still opposed by a (slight) majority.</p>
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		<title>08B Update</title>
		<link>http://www.messofpottage.com/blog/2009/03/10/08b-update/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unofficially, the vote at Presbytery today on Amendment 08B was 42/53/2. That is to say, 42 in favor, 53 against, and 2 recommending no action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unofficially, the vote at Presbytery today on Amendment 08B was 42/53/2. That is to say, 42 in favor, 53 against, and 2 recommending no action.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s what I said at Presbytery today. When I began the process of discerning my call to the Ministry of Word and Sacrament, the leaders of my church encouraged me to participate in a discernment group. So one evening I sad down with a group of people to discuss with me, in detail, all the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I said at Presbytery today.</p>
<p>When I began the process of discerning my call to the Ministry of Word and Sacrament, the leaders of my church encouraged me to participate in a discernment group. So one evening I sad down with a group of people to discuss with me, in detail, all the things I was experiencing as my sense of call. It was very helpful to me in deciding to pursue my call to the ministry, along with the ongoing care I received from my Presbytery&#8217;s Committee on Preparation for Ministry. Over the next several years, as I went through seminary, I was encouraged by the knowledge that I was not in it myself. I knew that while anyone could be wrong in discerning God&#8217;s call, at least I was not alone.</p>
<p>It was about 17 years ago that I first became a Christian through the ministry of a PC(USA) church. During that period, I admit I have not always been paying attention, but my impression is that we, as a denomination, have been debating ordination standards as long as I have been following Christ.</p>
<p>My question today is whether, during these many years, we have already discerned God&#8217;s leading. I wonder if we have <em>already</em> heard God&#8217;s call through our own deliberations as a denomination. Through the witness of our brothers and sisters in other denominations here in North America. And especially through the witness of the world church.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m wrong. Just this morning, I was reading about Joshua and Caleb. I read how they argued as a minority against the other 10 men who had spied out the land with them. So I might be wrong. But as I reflect on my own experience of communal discernment, I wonder if we, by continuing to revisit the question of ordination standards, are less like Caleb and Joshua, and more like Gideon. Are we continuing to cast a fleece on the ground to discern God&#8217;s leading? And if we are, how many more time must we cast it?</p>
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